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This week on the xoxo, jess Podcast, I’m talking to Angela of Angel + Hare. Angel + Hare is based in Vancouver, Canada, where she creates and prints her cards directly from her gorgeous office (which has the dreamiest view by the way, which I have frequently swooned over on Instagram)! I absolutely love their sweet and soft style, I am so excited to bring another chat with a card maker to you on today's podcast episode. Listen to the episode above, On iTunes HERE, or read the transcription below.
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Episode Transcription:
Jessica Walker
Welcome back to xoxo, j. s when we dive deep into the world of greeting cards, the highs and lows of entrepreneurship, and the mindset tools needed to start creating the business of your dreams today. I'm your host, Jessica Walker with another Wednesday episode. And this week I'm talking to Angela of angel and hair. Angel and hair is based in Vancouver. And she creates and prints are greeting cards directly from her gorgeous office, which you have probably heard me swoon over on Instagram. I absolutely love her sweet and soft style. I'm really excited to bring another chat with the cardmaker episode to you this week. So without further ado, welcome, Angela. Hi, thank you so much. I'm so excited to be recording this episode with you. I'm so excited to have you Angela and I it's our first time actually talking in real life. We met on Instagram. And I'm just really pumped to learn more about you and your brand, which I am obsessed with. So this is gonna be awesome. Yeah, it's funny because I listened to all of your podcast episode. Like I feel like we know each other like we check that all the time. But we've never talked like this before. I know. I know. Like I'm dying to just like get a coffee whenever.
Angela
I'll come to New York. Okay.
Jessica Walker
So let's just dive right in and start with your background. What got you into greeting cards? Do you have an art background and entrepreneurial background? Why greeting cards?
Angela
Yeah, so I come from the art side of things. And I know that's totally the opposite of how you got into making greeting cards, which is funny. But I grew up drawing and taking art classes. And I used to make my own cards here and there like just for fun to give to friends and family for like holidays and stuff. But I definitely never thought to sell them because like drawing each card individually, it takes a long, and I kind of lost my touch with art in university just like school is so busy and all those things. But when I graduated a year and a half ago, I was gifted an iPad for my family. And that kind of like opened my eyes to a whole new world of creating digital art. And I was like, What is this like, you can draw one thing and print it like an indefinite amount of times like game changer. Yeah, so that was definitely the catalyst catalyst of launching Angel and hair. And then when I opened last January, it was totally just for fun. Like, I opened the shop on Etsy. And I think I had like six cards. And I was pretty naive about like the whole thing I, you know, didn't know back then that there was a whole like greeting card world or that people can have a business selling their cards online. And I just thought it would be fun to do since I wasn't in school anymore. Like it was a good way to get back into drawing. And then like after a month of opening, we had like 100 sales. Amazing kind of like, what like, Okay, this is real, like maybe it's not just a hobby, like maybe I need to be treating this more like a business. So I feel like that's when I really started to get into having a greeting card shop and running it like a business. And I did a lot more research to find out that there was this whole like greeting card world, like a lot of people were doing this. And that's also how I found your podcast like a year ago, when you were called like, I think like your greeting card guru.
Jessica Walker
I've had like six names of the nominee.
Angela
Always so helpful. And like there is and there wasn't anyone out there talking about the things that you were talking about. So it was really crazy. And like even crazier than I'm a guest on it now.
Jessica Walker
That's amazing. I there's so much I want to dive into it with what you just said, one. I think it's so funny how many people myself included, that getting an iPad really was such a turning point because it just like it opens you up into the idea that you can scale what you're doing, which is just such a cool concept. And I do want to dive into your creative process and like how you get from idea to card in hand. But first I just want to start with I'm interested in your shops name. I know that you're in is Angeles, your angel but is there a hair?
Angela
Yes, there is.
Love that you asked. So
Angela
Yeah, I feel like I don't really like talk about this on my end but Angel like, obviously comes from me, my name is Angela. And hair is kind of like a play on words. So my partner's name is Harris. So shorten the hair to kind of bring him in. And like he definitely helped me out with the shop. And like with like shipping and all those things, even though I do all the drawing like he's an active contributor. And also, we used to have a little bunny, which is like kind of represents that hair aspect of the shop name as well. And our pepper, our rabbits name was pepper, and she's the bunny that I have in my like shop mascot. And yeah, so like, that's where that comes from,
Jessica Walker
oh my gosh, I love it. I've been I felt like from your pulse that there was someone else behind the scenes. And I assumed as this sort of situation, but
Angela
it's funny, like, he doesn't really want to like post pictures of himself or my husband in my stories, but I feel like he needs like a proper introduction.
Jessica Walker
So amazing. So you kind of I feel like similarly to me, I like to say I'm an accidental entrepreneur, like I kind of like put my foot in and then it just kind of spiraled. So when you decided to make it kind of like a business, like shift that mindset from like, this is a hobby or a side hustle to like, this is a real business. What did that shift look like? How did you like know what to do? You just did you go to like University of Google and just try to figure out how to do finances like what was that journey? like for you?
Angela
Yeah, University on Google has been everything. I feel like I've spent so many hours just searching stuff up. And it's funny, because when it comes to things related to business, it's also very different depending on where you are, which is something that I had to figure out because like in Canada, different provinces have different, like legal rules about permits as so interesting.
Yeah, it's kind of annoying.
Yes, I had to figure all that out. And I think also, when you cross a certain threshold, you have to pay taxes, as well and get a business license. And there definitely was that like, finish line that we had to step over when we had to get a business license. Because when you start on Etsy, you don't have to do that, you know, and that's one of the huge benefit of starting on Etsy is you can just open your shop one day, and like, all of a sudden, you're just selling stuff, even though I don't recommend that for anybody. Totally. Yeah. And I felt like I did a lot of research when I first started. But some of the things that you really have to like figure out along the way, like you never know, nobody ever really thinks I feel like that they're going to maybe hit that mark one day, or at least I didn't like solid greeting cards, I didn't think that it was going to be like this whole business or anything. So.
Jessica Walker
And I think that's so true. And it's something that I feel like I say every episode, that inspired action clears the path, like sometimes you you can think about it all day long. You can plan about it all day long. And of course, there's so much benefit to knowing what you're getting into. But there are some things that it's just you learn faster, and you get through things quicker if you just do them if you take the action. And that sounds like what you did you just dove in and figured it out.
Angela
Yeah, definitely figured it out through the University of Google.
Jessica Walker
Yes. Such a great tool. Shout out to Google.
Like they need advertising.
Jessica Walker
Okay, so let's jump into your design process. And more more. I want to start with your style. You have a very unique style. I love it. It's so cute. And how did that developed is did you always just draw in this style? Did you decide you're going to have a very consistent look to all your cards What What was that like?
Angela
I'd say more so kind of fell into it and maybe that's like a repeat pattern of me with my shop now your process?
Yeah, I because I grew up taking like art classes my whole life. Essentially, I learned and studied a lot of different mediums. So I don't think I really grew up like with an art style. And before I got an iPad, I felt like I didn't have an art style at all. Like I saw all these artists like on the Internet and on Instagram and stuff and I didn't feel like I knew what my style was. But then when I started drawing with the intention of making cards, I personally like cards that are, like cute and fun. Like, I don't think anybody really likes the cars that they get from the dollar store the grocery store. So I kind of started drawing in this, like cartoony style, I guess. And then after creating a couple cards, it kind of just spiraled into, oh, no, everything looks like this. Great, you have a cohesive look, and like people can recognize that now. And I because we haven't been around for that that long. I'm sure like, with every shop styles could change. Like, I have a couple cars that are a bit more like mature, like not everything has the cute eyes and stuff. But definitely still exploring. And like, I think I'll just see where it goes. But I do like the look of like the cue fun, kind of like something that just makes me playful. Yeah, exactly.
Jessica Walker
That's such a great takeaway that a lot of people think that you have, they have to have the clear, full picture full vision before they get going. But it can be something that evolves. So it can be like, I love your style. It's so playful, so light, so cute and fine. And it's just like I I'm sure someone who gets that in the mail is just like, this is awesome. I love this card. That's so cute. But yeah, of course, like you have brand recognition, which is also something that's really important that especially in the beginning, like people see a card and they know it's yours because of just like that's that's your style. And I love that. So I know that you draw your designs on the iPad, you what what do you use procreate? Or what do you use?
Angela
I use procreate to draw everything.
Jessica Walker
I love it, and then take us through, then how does a design that's on your iPad? Become a card in your studio?
Angela
Yeah. So I would say there's kinds of kind of two ways that a card gets made. Sometimes I have like an idea to turn something like ordinary into something cute like a sushi thing or like a soy sauce, like a bubble tea, things like that. So in those cases, I would sketch out the illustration first, because I already have like an idea in mind. And then other times the pun comes first. So I will think of a pun for like a certain card. And then I kind of think of ways that I can make that pun come to life.
Jessica Walker
I love it. So cool. And you print your cards in your studio.
Angela
Yep, I do right now.
Jessica Walker
We're on video. The shelving unit, if anyone follows us on Instagram that I saw, and then bought the same day after asking her where it was from. And from IKEA, if you're interested, send me a DM, we'll hook you up. It's amazing. Because it's so deep that yes, any printer and I have the exact same Cricut color as well as you. It's just amazing. Not the point of this podcast. But
Angela
shout out to that great shelf. You guys should all get it.
Jessica Walker
So I know that sustainability is something that's important to your brand. And it's something that a lot of cardmakers are really wanting to adopt, but just kind of have no idea where to start with that. whether it'd be worth people being worried about the financial aspect of it if it's more expensive, like I would love to just kind of share like what you have learned and done in your shop to make it a more eco friendly process.
Angela
Yeah, I love talking about this because I feel like everybody does care and wants to make whatever they're producing more sustainable, but like it's hard sometimes. And like nobody is perfect. And I started out using compostable clear sleeves. And at the time, I was like, you know, this is so eco friendly. Like it's biodegradable plastic. Like, yay, it looks good. Whatever it was, it was only like a little bit more expensive than traditional, clear sello bags. So to me, like a couple cents was worth the putting something out there that isn't like super toxic for the environment. But then, like as my shop grew, I feel like we're always learning stuff. And I'm still always trying to be more eco friendly wherever I can. And, you know, I kind of learned that in a lot of places around the world like those cons compostable clear sleeves. aren't as eco friendly as they're kind of marketed to me. And like a lot of places don't have compost as readily available like we do in Vancouver. Like, we actually recycle soft plastic here like we have zero. Wow. And apparently that's not common, which is so sad. Like, I really wish that just the whole recycling system was different, that would just change things for a whole lot of people. But anyways, so I decided I had to move. Or I wanted to move away from that just to make things like more easily recyclable for the customers as well. So I recently got into using glassine bags, which I know like a lot of other shops use as well. And they are like 100% paper non toxic. And it obviously like, at least I'm hoping So pretty much everywhere around the world can recycle paper. So that's kind of like a step we've taken in that direction. And I always use paper mailers, so either like rigid, or just like a regular, really thick envelope. I'm still trying to transition out of craft bubble mailers, which like so many things to learn, but like craft, good for the environment. Bubble, not good. Yeah, all these places sell, like things that are kind of misconstrued to be eco friendly. So it, it takes a lot. I feel like like a lot of research and a lot of effort to focus on being sustainable. And I don't want it to seem like any shop that isn't perfect is doing like a bad job at all. Because, you know, we're all at different places. And like when I was using the composable, clear sleeves, that wasn't the best option I could have been using. And I totally didn't know. So definitely like learning as we go. But I do it is really important to me to kind of create something without adding that additional plastic waste to the world, which is why I love selling greeting cards in the first place. Like everything is recyclable. And for me personally, I keep all my cards. So there's no waste there. But if anybody out there wants to like recycle their card they can. So I love that.
Jessica Walker
I think that is such a great point that again, it's not about being the perfect, most eco friendly, sustainable in every way, like just start if that's something that's interesting to you and something you feel compelled to explore. And and I've heard that a couple of times that I think like the number one thing is people think it's gonna be so much more expensive. But it's it's really not like it's not it is more expensive in some ways. But it's not like to the point where it's inaccessible. And if you budget for it, then you can like make the cost negligible, you know, yeah, I
Angela
shouldn't even say that. Actually, the glassine sleeves that we use now are cheaper than the compostable sleeves and regular plastic sleeves. So like this option is more affordable than like using regular plastic.
Jessica Walker
I'm going to get the link from you and link that in the shownotes for Is that okay? Yeah, absolutely great. To see you making sure the company that I've gotten it from has a warehouse in Canada and the US so cool, very accessible. That's amazing. Um, so just as far as the business side of things, what do you feel like was? Or is like still navigating your biggest hurdle? Was it or the thing that you felt like you had to learn the most about? Was it marketing or production? Or maybe shipping? or What did you feel like was like the biggest, highest barrier to entry that you have now overcome?
Angela
Now that you mentioned it, shipping was such a big thing.I feel like I spend so much time figuring out and now I don't think about it at all, because, you know, I do it every day. And it's, I guess, a lot easier now. But when I first started shipping was so confusing. And yeah, I feel like a lot of people probably feel that way. And I actually spent my first month overpaying for every package that I shipped out because I was using a kind of mailer that I didn't have to be using. So shipping cost more. And I've always offered free shipping in my shop for Canada and the US, which you know, I personally love free shipping. So like I want to offer that to my customers. When I make a mistake on the shipping, like obviously nothing is ever free. So that comes from me and my revenue. And so for like my whole first month, I was like spending An extra couple bucks on every single package
Jessica Walker
been there. My very first sale actually, two examples, my very first sale, I spent more on the shipping than they spent on the entire order. Like, and then of course, I learned so much shipping, like I can do it like the back of my hand. And then last month in December, I it was like a crazy season, it was the holiday season. And I put a listing up without changing the shipping. But it was a bulk listing for 100 cards, and someone ordered it to Australia and I had it listed as like two ounces. And I didn't notice until too late. And so instead of like having the customer repay it, because they'd already spent so much I was like, I'm just gonna pay it. And it was like $70 to ship in a nightmare. But I mean, I still made money on the sale. But it was like one of those things where I was like, I am two years into business. I truly feel like I mean, I teach shipping, like I know what I'm doing. And there's still like, sometimes these mistakes that just happened because it is confusing. So if you're someone listening, and you're like, shipping is my kryptonite, I don't get it. Listen to Angela, listen to like it, it really is just a learning curve. And you just have to keep doing it and it and then you won't even have to think about it.
Jessica Walker
oh my gosh, Lord, the number of mistakes that you'll have to be perfect to run a business. Let me tell you that. And I feel like also, let me ask if this resonates with you as well. But when you first start your business, you feel like everything you do has the potential to ruin your business. And then like actually, like as you learn, you realize that like, you can get through the bumps more easily than at the beginning. But it's like, it's like when you have a new baby. It feels so fragile, and you're worried you're going to kill it. Does that resonate with you? Yeah, like nothing bad that happens is as big of a deal as when it's happening to you. It's gonna be okay. Absolutely. It's just one of those things. You just have to start figure it out. And you will learn as you go. So, I would love to just hear I know you've I mean, you've done so much since you've started. You started what last year?
Angela
Yeah, actually, like, just a couple days ago, we hit our one year shop anniversary. Unreal.
Jessica Walker
Crazy, though. So cool. So you guys are expanding? You have new cards up all the time? How do you or how would you recommend someone who's trying to balance all that you're doing? How do you balance the creative side and the business running side and the social media side? Like do you have any tips on that?
Angela
I definitely feel like I'm not perfect. Especially with balancing social media and creating I'm still always kind of like, should I spend like these next few hours making a video for tik tok? Or should I draw a product?
Jessica Walker
And as the entrepreneur as the CEO, like, it's your call, and that's what's so crazy to you're like, no one else is gonna decide this for me.
Angela
Yeah, and the thing is, like, I definitely used to be all about like, you know, social media is not important, blah, blah, blah. But like, the more that I'm getting into it, the more that I realized that that's like so not true.
Jessica Walker
It's just such a great opportunity. I mean, it's free marketing that can connect you to people all over the world. It's like it's one of those double edged swords, where it's like, you don't want social media to be such a big part of it, but it really can be such a useful tool.
Angela
Yeah, for sure. I think before I started Angel and hair, I was like this close to deleting Facebook and Instagram from my phone, like I kind of wanted to be one of those people that just didn't use social media that much anymore. And then obviously, when you have a business like it is very beneficial for you to have those accounts. And I can't really get away from that screen time now even though I almost never checked my personal Instagram anymore lame.
Jessica Walker
Yeah, I didn't even post it on it this year.
Angela
But I feel like we're on our shop Instagrams, like, every day all the time. But I do enjoy doing it now. And the thing is, like before I think I just didn't want to spend time worrying about posting photos or editing videos when I could have been drying and like creating new products. But now that I do have Instagram and and have a tick tock account. I feel like my biggest regret is not starting them sooner.
Jessica Walker
That's a great point.
Angela
Yeah, especially with Tik Tok which I know can be like kind of scary like it's more new everybody on this. So yeah, but the reach on that platform is absolutely insane, like compared to Instagram or Facebook and it's not even really about getting more sales even though it definitely helps but On Tick Tock just the amount of people in the world that can see your stuff compared to Instagram, which I feel like is a bit more like Nishi. Mm hmm. It like really gets your brand and your product out there for sure.
Jessica Walker
Yeah, it's like a more viral aspect to it.
Angela
Yeah. Like anyone can see any video.
Jessica Walker
And I mean, that's such a good point. I feel like, in hindsight, we all know that the early adopters of these new social media platforms really benefit from it. And it's, especially as creative entrepreneurs, like, it may be one of those things where you're like, how can I make time for another thing? Like, it's like, daunting to think about it, but there are benefits. And it's like, again, like, we can be doing a trillion different things a day in our businesses moving in a million different direction, but just picking what feels like the right next step for you. And if it is that platform, just go for it. Like you can't fail by trying something new.
Angela
Yeah. And I always like, I feel like a lot of people messaged me asking for tech talk tips, which is amazing. But I always feel like anything that you start, it probably is going to take some time. And like for me, Pinterest is kind of my kryptonite, like Instagram and tik tok, I get Pinterest I do not understand yet. And like I just very recently, like kind of started like playing with it. And I know, you've talked about Pinterest before as well. And there's like a learning curve to everything. So like, if you're someone who's just starting out on tech talk and like, you're not going viral like it is okay. Like, it's, it's probably gonna take some time, but just like, don't give up like, just keep, keep going.
Jessica Walker
Exactly that's made me think of that quote, that's like, It'll take a while. But quitting is not going to make it happen any faster. And it's like a very good motto to live by.
Jessica Walker
speaking of I would love to wrap up with just hearing some of your upcoming goals like what are you excited about in your business that's coming up? What are you reaching for this year and beyond?
Angela
Yeah, I mean, because we just recently hit our one year shop anniversary, it was definitely crazy to kind of like to look back on that milestone and think about where we were last year and where we are now, which sometimes, like I still have a hard time wrapping my head around the whole thing. And I don't really have any goals that are quantifiable in terms of like, making more money or more sales for this year, I think I want to focus on kind of creating more and like expanding our selection of card designs, because I really don't think we have that many. To be honest. Especially when I took down all the Christmas stuff. I was like, Oh my gosh, I need more cards. Um, and I was like making more stickers as well, because yeah, I don't just sell greeting cards anymore, even though that's how we started. I also have like stickers of some of the characters that I've drawn. And I kind of want to make more of that and just growing product lines in general. I think if it wasn't for COVID, and everything that's been going on in the world, like related to that, I would have been very interested to kind of get into the world of like getting products, your products stocked in stores, and like doing more wholesale in that sense. And actually, last year, in March before everything shut down, we actually started looking into that and like had a couple places that we were planning on stocking and then obviously, a shutdown. So we were just like, well, definitely doesn't make sense to do things in stores now, like e commerce was the way to go. Mm hmm. Like definitely, like, was halted. And I don't know when that could possibly pick up again. But it could be something that I'd be interested in doing in the future. But like at the same time, I feel like my situation is a bit different because I do still work full time. Like my Etsy shop isn't my only job. And like a part of me is almost a little bit reluctant to have it grow too big. Like I want to keep my day job still, which I know isn't always the case for everybody. But like I am kind of scared of growing to a point where I would have to pick one over the other you know,
Jessica Walker
I think that's I'm really glad you mentioned that because I feel like there's like this idea that the only goal is to have your shot be full time but that's not always the case. Like sometimes people don't want that or they like they're just not sure how to picture that, or they want to have it, where they hire someone to help with cards so they can do both. You know, like, it doesn't have to be one thing. And I'm so glad you mentioned that because it can look like whatever you want it to look like you're the CEO.
Angela
That's so true. And I guess this would actually be a good question for you as well, because you definitely have moved into doing your like greeting card business full time, and you have so many shops and so many things going on. Did you feel like there was a big difference and how you perceived your shop? Once you moved into doing a full time? Like, do you think there was more pressure? Or was it like less fun at all? I'm always worried about
Jessica Walker
such a great question. I love that you asked that. No, actually, in my situation, I felt like I would. So I was working. Part time when I started my shop, my husband had recently been diagnosed with cancer. And we were essentially unemployed while I was trying to support him through that, because it's just so time consuming. Going through that that journey it was we couldn't do our normal jobs. So I was working part time. And I was kind of battling exactly what you're talking about where you are wanting to put so much time into one project. But you have this whole other thing taking up most of your day, which is your job. And I got to that point where it was like there was so much there just weren't enough hours in the day to do both. And when I was able to release that, that part time job, I just felt so much freer to like be able to spend the hours that I wanted to on my job on my greeting card. business. So no, it didn't feel like more pressure. Um, I know that obviously, like, money wise, that's like the big the big question like, will I be able to support myself? Or like, will this be something that has an expiration date? Like maybe I feel like I'm having success right now. But I am not in the future? And the way that I navigated that is I've always been very, like how can I make a minimum viable, viable product? How can I make sure that I am not spending more than I have, I'm very on top of my numbers, I my sister helps with that. She's a financial analyst. So like, I knew, like I knew my business was healthy. And I was like extremely on top of that. So like, that's just that is the foundation, just making sure, like, if I wanted to expand a product line, but I knew it was going to cost a lot of money that I didn't necessarily want to spend, because I didn't really have the flexibility, I wouldn't, I would wait. So I think the way that I have navigated it is just being really essential with my choices. And of course, now that it's grown, like I have more flexibility with it. And I do have that consistent income that I can expect every month from various revenue streams and such. But anyways, long story short, long winded answer. In my situation, no, I do feel like it kind of just let me kind of expand creatively. And for me, since I'm not I don't have that art background as much like I do love designing, but my passion is the behind the scenes of the business. I always say it feels like I'm playing the Sims. Like I'm like, what what do I tweak here that will change this or like, what can I what platform can I try that could bring in more sales like i that is my jam the numbers behind the scenes. And I think just having that space to fully do that. And the way that I wanted to made it less stressful, weirdly enough, but I don't know if that answered your question. That was
Angela
it's so interesting to hear that from like your perspective, because I'm sure like a lot of people listening want to be where you are right now. And it's really cool to hear how you transitioned into that. And kind of like your feelings about it when that happened, because I'm sure for greeting cards, like it's a bit different of a business because we have holidays with a lot of fluctuations and sales. Christmas is so big for us. And now that Christmas is over, like we jumped from Christmas to Valentine's Day to Mother's Day and so on and so forth. But there's also like down periods as well. And so like I'm sure that leads to income fluctuating too and I'm very used to my consistent paycheck like it feels really nice to know what's coming in all the time. So
Jessica Walker
and I account for that in my projections so like my projections for this year I do that like at the beginning of the year, four months that I know there's not a big holiday I have a lower projection so I shit and I plan out my expenses accordingly. So it's just like one of those things where it is the nature you're so right is the nature of greeting cards that some months are going to be huge month some months are going to be less months but you can also account for that with those in betweens the thank yous the birthdays but things that you can create that consistent revenue and have that as your base and then the holidays become kind of bonus Do you know what I mean? It's a really good way to look at it. That's kind of how I've had to think about it. So instead of counting on those to like, be the money making moments, it's like those are the the icing on the cake. So that's that's kind of, I love that you just flip this interview. No, I don't. I love that. Incredible. I also feel like that's so funny because I invite people onto the podcast that I have questions that I want to ask because I'm like, I get them. You're now a captive audience. And I'm like, answer all my questions that
Unknown Speaker
you just did the same thing.
Angela
Because like, I feel like I listened to your podcast, because I want to hear your point of view. And I'm like, who really cares about my shop? Like, I want to know what Jessica is doing?
Jessica Walker
We do we do. I know. There are so many people that are just like taking notes with what you've said today, you've had so many great takeaways. And you've learned so much in your one year congratulations of business. And I am just really pumped to see where angelyn hair goes. And we will be along for the ride. So if people want to connect with you and purchase your cards, where do you recommend they go?
Angela
Definitely at C to shop. So it's just angelyn hair. I'm sure Jessica will and I will link it. Yeah. And then come be friends with us on Instagram, also at Angel and hair. And my
Jessica Walker
gorgeous, dreamy. Check it out. She's amazing, Angela, I'm so grateful that you recorded this episode. This is an awesome conversation. And I'm glad we finally got to connect. I know that so many listeners are going to love what you've shared today.
Angela
Me too. I was totally out of my comfort zone. But I'm really glad that I got to speak with you today. And I can't wait to hear how nervous I am when it
Jessica Walker
comes out. Everyone send Angela a message and tell her how amazing she did. That's what you should do today. All right. On that note, I'll talk to you later. Angela. Thank you so much.
Angela
Thank you.